• Big 4

    Here’s Your Open Thread for EY Compensation Discussions (2015)

    By | August 17, 2015

    There's been a steady stream of tips coming in for the last week about EY comp discussions starting today and we understand that people are anxious.

    Here's how one tipster put it:

    PBBs are being communicated by counselors now and pay out will be in 8/31 pay period. I'm bored as f*** could use a chuckle- can we get this thread started?

    This is only the second Big 4 firm for comp season 2015, so I'm sure the Deloitte and KPMG overlords appreciate another benchmark to work with. 

    As for EY specifically, the only comp teaser on the Black and Yellow was late last month, when rumors swirled of unachievable superior rankings for new associates. Hopefully cooler heads have prevailed since then.

    To appease some of our more fastidious commenters, when you're discussing your info, please cover the following:

    •     City (region is not informative) & Line of Service
    •     Promotion (if applicable) & Rating
    •     % Raise
    •     % Bonus (if any)
    •     Optional: Old & New Base

    Your patience has been appreciated. Best of luck, Weinberger-wannabes.

    • eeeeeeel

      Our group is always last 🙁

      My group beat plan by 10% so I’m hoping we get some of that…

      • Big4Star

        Lol. I wouldn’t expect that. I already heard bonuses for SMs are around 3-5% (the latter for a 4 rated – no need to discuss 5 rated). Mgrs and Seniors get less, so you can imagine.

        • eeeeeeel

          I didn’t say I hope we get 10%. Anyway, I’m sure I’ll be getting more than 3%. Willing to bet you on that one :).

          • Big4Star

            If you are 4 rated probably, but as a 3 rated you wouldn’t 🙂

            • eeeeeeel

              Neither 🙂

            • buthurt

              5s are rarer than unicorns, whereas unicorns are rarer than eels. By that logic, you are not a 5.

            • eeeeeeel

              False. eeeeeeels are rare than eels.

            • buthurt

              Sheet. I stand corrected.

    • Reasonable Assurance

      Bring on the 5% raise.

      • buthurt

        I don’t think the audit group did very well this year with all the quality initiatives. Would you interesting to see what the raises are

      • Reasonable Assurance’s Broseph

        Broseph deserves a 500% raise!

        • buthurt

          Unfortunately audit is no longer about providing reasonable assurance now that PCAOB is moving to an absolute assurance model. Be prepared for more grunt work and shittier raises.

    • GuestGuest

      No real numbers yet?

      • Reasonable Assurance

        comp discussions are scheduled this week through end of next week.

        • Reasonable Assurance’s Broseph

          Models and bottles, Broseph!

    • big4Sensei

      They start towards the end of the week until next week.

    • potato

      SF Assurance

      ST2 – S1

      5s — 76k
      4s — 74.5k
      3s — 72.5k

      all numbers before bonus

      • Reasonable Assurance

        What was your base before the raise? Or the tier pay by 3/4/5? Whatever is most vague. Thanks.

        • Reasonable Assurance’s Broseph

          Broseph be runnin’ this comp thread!

      • PaulGeorge222

        Does this assume everyone had the same comp as a ST2?

      • GuestGuest

        Trolololol try 10k lower

      • buthurt

        Damn if raises are that good west coast would have been overstaffed. Oh wait…

      • GuyverBioBooster

        This was accurate based on my discussion

        San Francisco office.
        St2>>senior 1
        Rated 4
        75k (I had a higher base pay)
        5k bonus

        Higher than I expected.

    • Big4Star

      I know Seniors, Staff, and Managers who already had their comp discussions, so they have started as early as today.

    • theOne

      Best = West right? Also no need to be pissed about the bonus…seems like they went up a little based on last year.

      • theOne

        Aww you deleted the first real numbers of the thread. Ill recap what i remember from the post for everyone elses benefit.

        Best Coast (i assume he meant west)
        Sr2 -> Sr3
        Risk Assurance (ITRA)
        Rating = 5
        21% raise, 7.5% bonus
        98.5ish new base

        • eeeeeeel

          You forgot – Happy about base, pisssed about bonus. Not sure what bonus he was expecting.

        • buthurt

          That’s more than what a senior 3 will make in audit. Good for him/her

    • AccrualWorld

      Northeast
      Assurance
      ST2-SR1
      4 rating
      13.1% raise
      69K new base
      5K promo bonus

      • PaulGeorge222

        what service line?

        • GuestGuest

          And what was your PBB %

          • Reasonable Assurance

            No PBB for staff 2 –> s1, only eligible for the promotion bonus.

            • Reasonable Assurance’s Broseph

              Broseph gets mad PBB – make it rain up in here!

      • BasisPoints

        DAMN they’re starving for senior talent – must know the service line 🙂

        • AccrualWorld

          Yeah they are…people are leaving like crazy

      • buthurt

        I must say I’m surprised after seeing these data points. Typically that rating will get you about 64K ish

      • EY Indentured Servant

        City?

        • AccrualWorld

          Not NY

    • hotsoxbuns

      San Francisco – Assurance
      5 Rated – Staff I
      20% increase to new Staff II base
      no bonus
      base: 54 current – 65 new

      • Big4Advisory

        Congrats on the rating and 20% bump!

      • PaulGeorge222

        Do they really start people out at 54K in SF?

        • AuditSF

          Yes, all four firms started at 54k-56k this past year in SF. This upcoming year they are starting in the high 50s

          • guest

            Public accounting in the bay area has been hemorrhaging talent for a couple years, as the tech space gobbles up most of the people with brains. And yet those tech companies are gonna need accountants for their IPO / M&A / taxes, so the firms are gonna have to pay up to try to keep people. I’m doubtful it will be much of a national trend, sadly.

            • IndenturedServant

              The quality of talent in bathe Bay Area has dropped precipitously as a result.

        • someguy

          Is that high? I started at 50 fresh from college more than a few years ago in LA

          • BasisPoints

            his staff 1 base was shit, but that’s a very high staff 2 rate

            • someguy

              True. Since I started a bit lower, it took me another year to get to that comp

      • buthurt

        Holy cow making more than what I was making at senior 1

    • ITRAWEST

      Risk Assurance
      West Region
      ST2 – SNR1

      rated 3
      19% Raise
      78 new base

      5k promotion bonus

      • theOne

        with a 3? Must be trying to do something about all that turnover at the sr level

        • ITRAWEST

          The west new hires started with 65k + 3k signing bonus this year. We probably got adjustment for that

    • Assurance.West.ey

      Assurance – West
      Staff 2 –> Senior 1
      Rated 5
      18% Raise
      70.9K New Base
      and standard $5k promo bonus…

      • Work / More Work Balance

        That’s more than my total comp as a west SR2 this year, with a base that’s almost equal.

        Expecting a big raise this year.

        • theOne

          I think we are seeing a reaction to all the people leaving recently…trying to retain people

          • AccrualWorld

            agreed…raises (at least so far) seem to be a bit higher…

            • BasisPoints

              A BIT!? These raises are over double the ordinary, especially in Cali.

              Sadly they still suck compared to what you’d be paid if you left 😀

      • GuyverBioBooster

        Is this the SF bay?

    • LAEYDude

      Los Angeles
      Assurance
      Staff 2 —> Senior 1
      Rated 3
      12.5% raise
      67.6k New Base
      5k Senior Bonus

    • GuestGuest

      Huge raises so far on the west coast for staff – will be interesting to see if the %’s are consistent for seniors and managers and for more highly compensated practices.

    • Eddie

      Are PBBs and promotion bonuses both paid out on 8/31?

      • AccrualWorld

        promo bonuses are paid out oct 15

    • Mountaineer

      Does anyone plot all the data from these comp threads?

    • Guesssst

      FSO Assurance – NYC
      SR2 – SR3
      5 Rated
      14.5%
      7% Bonus

      • testtt

        New Base?

        • Guesssst

          $86,200

          • testtt

            Nice! Congrats! Waiting for my discussion, hoping to get close to what u got

      • PaulGeorge222

        Is your 7% bonus rounded up from the 6.87% shown above?

    • John

      attached snapshot of fy14 PPB Assurance (% payout by APR and rank) I found from last yr’s posting. Anyone have a similar one for fy15? http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1234/9032/original.jpg

      • Work / More Work Balance

        Just came out.
        SM 11.45%, 4.58%, 2.04%
        Mgr 8.02%, 4.58%, 2.04%
        SR 6.87%, 3.44%, 2.04%

        Based on this, some managers are going to be getting lower bonuses than seniors with higher ratings.

        3 rated manager would have to make $118k to get the same bonus as a 4 rated senior making 70k, $126k compared to senior making $75k. Less likely for 4 rated manager, but still possible that 4 rated manager would have to make $105k to get same bonus as 5 rated senior making 70k, $112.5k compared to $75k.

        • eeeeeeel

          Advisory is a tad higher: SM 12.27%, 5.11%, 2.04%Mgr 10.22%, 5.11%, 2.04%
          SR 7.16%, 4.09%, 2.04%

          • EYer

            Yeah, and advisory started a year earlier, so this may be part of the transition from smaller base salary increases and larger PBB percentages.

    • CentralTax

      Central – Tax
      S2 to S3
      4 rating
      12.5% raise
      3.5% bonus
      new salary – 97k

    • theOne

      Here is for Advisory

      • kickballcar

        Just got it too. Good year!

      • big4Sensei

        That’s super low

      • John

        Looks like Advisory had a much better year than Assurance. Anyone has TAX and Transactions’s %?

        • tripsd

          Tax was the same for a 3.

        • tax4life

          Tax numbers are similar for 3s and 4s, a little lower for 5s across the board.

      • N.E.R.D.

        Isn’t a 2% raise just a COLA?

        • theOne

          bonus…pbb. not raise numbers

          • N.E.R.D.

            Oh right. I didn’t read it carefully.

      • Brock Lesnar

        These bonuses are awful, are you kidding me? 2% bonus for someone who did all his/her work but just didn’t go above and beyond? The 4’s bonuses suck as well although not insultingly low. I understand this is PBB, but the raises better be really good to compensate.

        • GuestGuest

          3’s shouldn’t get a bonus.

          • windycityadvisor

            I agree. Just eats into the pool.

          • buthurt

            Problem is (at least for audit) that a lot of people who had 4/5s on their engagements were given annual 3s. If they drop the PBB for 3s a lot of people are going to be really pissed. The PBB was just a symbolic bonus for most people.

            Things may be different on the advisory side though

          • Consult4Life

            Agreed. Bare Minimum just to meet your job requirements (expectations) shouldn’t get a bonus. Bonuses are for those who go above and beyond.

    • dd

      some people just want to complain! from EY standards, these numbers are the best PBB numbers so far.

    • dd

      Granted its still lesser than PWC numbers but its time folks start focusing on a positive trend otherwise you are in the wrong business and move outside big4

    • dd

      Wonder what my assurance friends have to say about the gaps closing in the PBB ranges between advisory and assurance..comments?

      • buthurt

        Remember our base is shittier than yours. So higher PBB % doesn’t really do much.

        • dd

          not denying that but imagine if PBB would have followed on similar lines. I am curious to know about TAS numbers as there are certain practices such as the newly acquired Parthenon-EY practice which I bet gets far superior raises than any of us!

          • buthurt

            Idk the details about Parthenon comp but I’d imagine they have to keep their comp numbers similar to before the acquisition or else they won’t be able to attract any talent. Hopefully EY won’t rename it to something stupid like Strategy&

            • dd

              Hopefully they apply the same logic on raises for rest of the practices to retain talent and not jumping ships to PWC etc. Not to be cynical, I hope higher PBB numbers doesn’t translate to lower % raises

            • theOne

              not looking that way based on the numbers people have put up already

            • dd

              lets keep that momentum going on the east coast!

            • dd

              giving these numbers a closer look, i feel Sr.Mgrs probably feel short changed. For a SM to get a 5 means kicking butt on sales, sucking up to the world of PPEDs and at the end not a big gap between a Mgr 5 and a SM 5

          • iamthelolrus

            Parthenon is management consulting… the comp follows a different structure than anything accounting related

    • advisory_west

      West
      Advisory
      Staff 2 —> Senior 1
      Rated 4 (two years consecutively)
      20% raise
      78.6k New Base
      5k Senior Bonus

      happy but not quite understanding why bother for a 4, if a 3 gets you 78k

      • theOne

        You’re starting to learn! good job

      • dd

        because a 3 would not have got you to even 78k! 20% and still not content!

        • advisory_west

          lol where do i say that? i just want to understand how they break down the actual numbers why 19% vs 20% for a 3 vs 4. and yes a 3 gets you 78k.

          • dd

            You will learn with time that some partners lapdog will be getting a higher raise despite a lower rating. I agree 78k is towards the mid-low range for Senior 1 Advisory, so make a jump to get to the right level

      • buthurt

        If you want to go to a M7 school after Big 4 advisory then that high rating is definitely gonna help when in comes to rec letters.

        Audit is a different story

        • iamthelolrus

          Can you explain why audit is a different story?

          Rec letters are one of the most important parts of your app no matter what industry you come from

          • buthurt

            You have a better chance to moving to advisory/private side before going to MBA vs going to MBA from audit

    • dd

      Any Managers/Sr. Mgrs numbers out there? These staff/seniors on west coast are consistently hitting in high teens and even early 20s for some!

      • EYer

        Tax
        M2->SM1
        5 rated
        17.5% raise
        8.02% PBB
        $8k promo bonus

        • defendtheconstitution

          New base and region?

        • iamthelolrus

          Promoted to SM after 2 years manager is pretty atypical right?

          • Witty Name

            I would assume the 5 rating helped contribute to that, as well as maybe a market starving for a little talent. But yeah, rather atypical.

    • dd

      great!

    • buthurt

      That’s Sr 3 salary

    • Totorotko

      What is the increase for a coming staff II ? I’m based in NY, staff I salary was 57K, I expect to get a 3.

      • GuestGuest

        Your rating has been finalized for about a month – your counselor probably should have shared it with you by now.

    • Bob the Builder

      Dallas & Assurance
      Staff I —> Staff II & 3*
      6.04%
      $53,000 —> $56,200

      • Audit dog

        New hires in the Dallas office are now starting at 54,500 which means promoting staff 1’s should get that bump as well. Based on your raise thats not the case.

        • Disqus Sucks

          They did get that bump. Staff 2s just need to make more than Staff 1s. Which is exactly what happened.

          That is why we are seeing such crazy raises out of the bay area since new hires are coming in so much higher that last year’s start class.

      • CajunAuditorTeyonce

        Thats… Not as much as I would’ve thought/hoped. Back to work.

    • John

      How does each service line come up with the salary %?

      • advisory_west

        EY random

        • Big4Star

          Lmao. Good one.

    • GuestGuest

      Yeah raises in the 15-20% range are awful.

    • John

      How does Ey’s 2015 Compensation compared against PWC 2015 already released?

      • Big4Star

        PwCs is usually better overall. Bonuses are way better too.

        • John

          But based on what I seen on this site, PWC is lower… am I missing something?

          • buthurt

            Seems like EY up’d their game for west coast and wherever else their attrition is high. The other markets are still below PwC though

    • Jacksparrow123

      Any numbers for TAS?

      • windycityadvisor

        In the same boat. Waiting for TAS numbers

        • PaulGeorge222

          Do you by chance know how the PBB last year for TAS compared to Assurance and Advisory?

          • windycityadvisor

            I was not in TAS last year, but from what I hear it was the same as Assurance.

            • dd

              Really?! That doesn’t sound right as billing rates of TAS folks is the highest so that should translate accordingly to salaries (applying same logic between assurance and advisory)

            • GuestGuest

              TAS is definitely paid higher, but bonuses under the PBB program have been the same. My base went up ~10% coming into TAS from audit (mid year comp increase).

            • Jacksparrow123

              Did you find out your base?

            • Disqus Sucks

              The PBB percentage is the same for everyone by level regardless of service lines. So a Senior rated as 3 in Audit in LA gets the same percentage as a Senior rated a 3 in TAS in Oklahoma.

              It is also not differentiated by experience year within the same rank. So a Senior 1 gets the same percentage as a Senior 3.

            • theOne

              False – Check out the PBB graphs posted below. The advisory numbers were higher than the audit numbers.

            • Disqus Sucks

              It is the same for Assurance, Tax, and TAS. Advisory started the PBB one year earlier so they have higher bonus numbers.

            • GuestGuest

              Precisely why the PBB program sucks.

            • Disqus Sucks

              The bonuses are higher than they were before PBB and even the token 2% for 3s is better than the 0% they previously got.

              In years past 5s got between 5% and 7%. Now 5s are getting 8% (non-advisory) and over 10% for advisory.

              I agree that the higher margin business lines should get more than core assurance that is just just dragging us down, but they weren’t before, so might as well take the extra cash.

            • Knowing

              “dragging us down” – there would be no firm without audit..

            • Disqus Sucks

              Well…there would be. There are plenty of professional service firms without public audit.

              I was specifically talking about margin. Core assurance margins are significantly lower than other sub-service lines. So yes. They are dragging down margin.

            • buthurt

              Was there a redistribution of wealth among service lines this year? Otherwise it’s just the advisory partners/directors taking too much of the pie.

            • EYer

              The percentage is the same for everyone by level, but not the amount of the bonus. So a Senior rated as a 3 in Audit in LA gets the same percentage as a Senior rated a 3 in TAS in Oklahoma, but I would highly suspect that the base salaries are different. Different base salaries then translates to different PBB amounts.

            • GuestGuest

              I can confirm that assurance and TAS PBB is the same again this year. (At least at the senior level).

    • North

      NESA Advisory
      Sr1 to Sr2
      5 rated
      18% 65k –》77k
      7% PBB

      • big4Sensei

        This gives me hope! Hopefully I can get 10-12%

      • Dchoco

        Seems like you were underpaid before.

    • Reasonable Assurance

      Yes….

      • Reasonable Assurance’s Broseph

        Broseph not sugar-coating anything…

    • CentralEY

      Central (not Chicago)
      Assurance
      Staff 2 > Senior 1
      Rated 5
      14.3% raise
      60K new base
      5K Senior Bonus

      • buthurt

        Damn that sucks. If you were on west coast you’d making 70+

        • Brock Lesnar

          To be fair, anything Midwest outside Chicago is extremely low COL. My guess is St. Louis or Kansas City if there is an office there.

          • BasisPoints

            Because the COL is high in Chicago and Minneapolis, and thus both have a “high” cost in your expense reports (aka can charge $50 for dinner), to simplify the geography EY also has all of Wisconsin categorized as “high” as well.

            Though to be fair, we deserved to be feasted like kings for being forced to work in Appleton for 6 weeks

            • Witty Name

              Wait what? Since when is Wisconsin high for expense purposes? Last I checked it was a base level market. And don’t be rude about my homeland, Appleton is pretty great.

            • BasisPoints

              I’m only speaking to expense reimbursement, I have no idea how this reflects on salaries of people who work in the region. And it may have changed since I last worked there, which was summer 2013

            • Witty Name

              I just checked the expense policy and yeah, Wisconsin is currently a base level state for expense purposes.

            • BasisPoints

              Oh snap! Was probably my insane spending that made them double check 😉

            • buthurt

              Come to central IL if you want $50+ dinner budgets and dirt cheap restaurants.

            • BasisPoints

              I actually did have the privilege of enjoying that hookup in Bloomington for 5 weeks – I highly recommend it!

        • CentralEY

          COL my friend…..the 70k + on the West Coast is the same as the 60k here

          • Models&Bottles

            Yea. i’m at 105k in NYC and still have to have roommates. 4 of them. It’s unbelievable. I’d take 70k in central any day over 100k in nyc.

        • Big4Star

          a 2 bedroom apartment in central is about $800-900. In the west coast it would cost you $2000-2500 and that is in a so so area.

    • tripsd

      West
      Tax
      Senior 2 -> Senior 3
      Rated 3
      7.2% raise
      2% PBB

    • GuyverBioBooster

      The message is clear. PCOAB staff alert no 11 has created an immense amount of work that has led to more hours and a high Attrition rate. Nobody wants to write a 150 page walkthroughs on FSCP. Nobody signed up for that. It now takes 5x more time to complete the SOX audit as compared to the substantive audit. I was hired when Staff alert 11 was issued. I received 17% as st1 and now 20% as staff2>Senior. This is what happens when idiotic regulators think they can use the school textbooks to issue regulations.

      • iamthelolrus

        Are you complaining though? That is some pretty real money.

        • Models&Bottles

          Yea i’m with this guy….did you just bitch about a 17% raise and a 20% raise? I wish you luck anywhere else in the world sir. Prepare for disappointment.

      • buthurt

        Don’t forget the new P&L guidance. Depending on how your client is structured, you could be spending most of the year doing P&L testing.

        But yea, the past 2-3 years have been pretty rough, especially since comp numbers at each level haven’t increased much

    • tax4life

      West Tax, Senior 1 –> 2, rated 5
      24% increase, 5.5K PPB, 97K new salary

      • BasisPoints

        JESUS CHRIST! Well done!!

        What specialty? This is audit manager 2 salary territory

    • Models&Bottles

      NYC
      Advisory
      Senior 3 —> Manager 1
      Rated 4
      15% Raise
      90k–>103,500K
      7k Promotion Bonus
      3,800K PBB

      • 5x2RedLobster

        FSO? Which SSL?

        • 5x2RedLobster

          UPN?

      • Brock Lesnar

        Those are solid numbers, although not great when considering Advisory M1 in other lower COL cities are on par with that salary. Congrats on the promotion.

        • Models&Bottles

          I went to a state school so I’ve had to claw my way to this point. I’ve got no complaints, treating me right, as long as they keep treating me right i’ll stick around for eternity. I’m ex-acn, and can tell you EY has done me about a million times better than ACN did.

    • EYTax

      US tax manager PBB %’s:
      5: 8.02%
      4: 4.58%
      3: 2.04%

      • Big4Star

        I think we all knew this. Advisory numbers for 4 and 5 are higher though.

    • Big4Star

      That is weird. I have heard of Advisory BAP and RAP getting $53K in the southern region.

      • iamthelolrus

        Somewhere else in this thread someone mentioned it just went up this year

    • Oats

      Houston (Southwest)
      Assurance
      Staff 2 —> Senior 1
      Rated 3
      8% raise
      58.3K Old Base, 63k New Base, not a good raise.
      5k Senior Bonus

      Last year I was 4 rated Staff 1 and got 10% raise from 53K to 58.3K.

      • AccrualWorld

        yeah…ive heard that if your rating drops, they true up your comp to what all the other 3 rated people your year are making, even if they got a 3 the previous year. not sure if it was a special case, but this happened to one of my friends.

        • buthurt

          Another reason to aim for 3s in the audit practice

          • EYauditorassurance

            Just got an email with my rating of 3 with a promotion to Manager. Havent had my comp talk yet which is coming today but really there isnt that much to talk about is there? Worked nearly 2500 hours, travel time included. Was only told how well I was performing. Ill be making well under 80K as a Manager. I am about to coasttttt. Ill be the last one to arrive everyday and the first one to leave from here on out. Because one thing is for sure. They dont give anyone a rating below a 3

            • buthurt

              Yea the comp talk is definitely an awkward meeting. The partners basically give you your numbers and move on to praise how great of a career this is. I’ve had some partners who ask me how I feel about my comp. WTF am I supposed to say? F u this is insulting?

            • Big4Star

              Really? Below 80?

            • EYauditorassurance

              Unfortunately. Very real.

        • EY-FML

          This happened to me. I got a 4 last year in FSO NY Audit going from Senior 1 to Senior 2 with a 12.5% raise. This year I got a 3 and a 6% raise which seems pretty low. All the other seniors in FSO NY Audit I surveyed with a 3 got at least 8%. Not until I saw your comment did it make sense. My friend who started in NESA a year ahead of me (albeit slightly higher base) made $77K ($2K more than what I’ll be making) as a Senior 3 and had all 3s throughout. Makes me really pissed that my gains last year will basically be wiped out in the coming year.

          • needscoffee

            My friend just got an offer for $85k + $5k sign-on bonus to join PwC Los Angeles. Exp. Sr. Assoc FS. Worked with their internal recruiter Kathleen. Happy too that they mid-yr promote with more incentives. Maybe time for a leap to pwc!!

    • tenuredservant

      no word from Southeast?

    • Consult4Life

      Advisory NYC
      S2 -> S3
      5 Rated
      7.16% Bonus
      16% Raise

      • testtt

        new base?

        • Consult4Life

          100k

          • pbbisbusted

            What practice?

    • BIG4NEWB

      Atlanta
      Advisory
      M4 -> SM1
      5 rating
      10% raise
      10.22% PBB
      152k -> 167k
      (joined as M3)

      Is 10% a typical promo raise at EY? Maybe because I was already on the higher end of the M4 range?

      • testtt

        Did you get a promo bonus?

        • BIG4NEWB

          Yes … 8k

          • Holla Dollas

            Are you in Risk, PI, or FSO?

            • BIG4NEWB

              PI

            • Holla Dollas

              You should be very happy with your numbers. You are very high for a SM 1.

            • Big4Star

              you mean too high. He is in ATL. Not even a SM1 in NY makes that.

            • BIG4NEWB

              You are wrong. A friend of mine (in PI) made 172k as a SM1 in NYC last year.

      • xyxyxyxy

        How many years of experience did you have prior of joining as a M3?

    • EYorDie

      Southeast
      Assurance – FSO
      Staff 2 —> Senior 1
      Rated 5
      20% raise
      54K Old Base, 64.8K New Base
      5K Senior Bonus

    • theOne

      West Advisory
      Sr 2 —> Sr 3
      Rating – 4
      Raise – 16.x%
      New Base – 96K
      PBB – 4.09%

    • buthurt

      The numbers I’ve been hearing from the Midwest region have been pretty disappointing. Definitely not as good as West coast

      • Himynameis

        what have you been hearing?

        • buthurt

          Same raises as PY

    • EYYYYY

      TAS

    • EYEYEY

      Southwest – FSO Advisory
      ST 2 > SR 1; 5 rated
      20%
      $5,000 promotion, no PBB
      New base: $69,000

      • guest

        what state?

        • tripsd

          I’m going to guess Texas…

          • EYEYEY

            Good guess – yes, Texas.

      • FSOEYFSO

        I know who this is…..

    • RISKWEST

      Adv-Risk Assurance
      West
      5 rated
      84.5k new base
      25.1% raise

      • kickballcar

        what rank?

        • RISKWEST

          ST2 – S1

          • kickballcar

            Wow that’s a great raise. Should be higher than some S2s. Congrats!

            • buthurt

              On par with 3 rated M1s in the midwest

    • Moohlah

      Any input from JD and/or LLMs on this topic?

    • Koolaidman

      FSO Tax
      SM1 -> Senior 1
      1 rated
      0% raise
      PBB: 0%

      Since most of the seniors left the firm all managers and senior managers are forced to step down to do senior work and therefore no raises or PBB were given as we are performing significantly below our expectation.

      However, we did receive a promise for a great career trajectory, plus unlimited supply of koolaid until 2020.

      • Unidentified

        what location?

        • Koolaidman

          Since the creation of the business unit 15 years ago, FSO is a US$3b+ practice serving many of the largest, most well-respected names in asset management, banking, capital markets, insurance and wealth management. No single geographic location is more important than any other. However I did hear rumors that individual locations serve different variety of koolaid.

          • Reasonable Assurance

            NE kool aid >*

          • Big4Star

            MA koolaid. Are you in FSO? What region (so we are not that specific)? We haven’t heard of comp discussions yet.

            • Koolaidman

              NE koolaid +1

            • Big4Star

              There is no NE FSO. Or do you mean New England?

            • Koolaidman

              i m in the northeast area to be more clear (same as reckless serenade and FSOTaxMan).

            • FSOTAXMAN

              Kooaidman. You speak the truth. I too SM1>S1. got a 11% raise I have managers making more than me (122k).

            • Koolaidman

              FSOTAXMAN we should talk about this over coffee. You are cordially invited to the pantry at 3:30pm EST today.

              Reckless Serenade – you are also more than welcome to come chill with us.

            • FSOTAXMAN

              Where the F were you. Left me hanging. Kept seeing this staff in the pantry and I’m looking at him like you cant be Koolaidman or Reckless Serenade.

    • GAAPGirl

      When does House of K start their discussions?

      • AuditSF

        Raises go into effect October 1st so it shouldn’t be too long until those discussions start

        • GAAPGirl

          Thanks. Quit a few months ago. Looking forward to seeing what I didn’t miss out on.

    • testtt

      West Coast Advisory
      Rating 5
      S2 -> S3
      18%
      7.5K
      120k

      • EagerFSOer

        FSO? Practice?

        • testtt

          FSO PI

          • EagerFSOer

            some IT related practice? Seems pretty solid!

            • buthurt

              Definitely some of the best stats I have seen from a S3 level. 120K is SM level salary in audit.

      • Unidentified

        It sounds like you are at the higher end of the pay range. MBA HIRE?

    • xyxyxyxy

      NYC
      Advisory – PI
      M2 -> M3
      3 rating
      6% raise
      2,05% PBB
      130k -> 138k

      • Big4Star

        FSO or Commercial?

        • xyxyxyxy

          commercial

          • Big4Star

            That’s not bad. You were on the higher end for an M2 at $130 anyways. I won’t even be close to $130 as M2.

    • saly

      Any word on NESA Assurance Staff 1 –> Staff 2?

      • ommcpa

        heard someone got 9.5% with 4 rating. Staff 1-> 2.
        NESA Assurance NY
        my meeting is next week :-/

      • BBWworld

        NYC NESA Assurance
        Staff 1 > Staff 2
        Base: 57k
        Raise: 7.4%
        3 rating

      • AccrualWorld

        I heard 6% for a 3 and 8% for a 4

    • zyxzyx

      FSO – NYC
      Assurance
      M1 -> M2
      5 rating
      10% raise
      8.02% PBB
      104.5k -> 115k

      Any opinions on whether this is at, below or above the average for a M2 in FSO Assurance NYC?

      • Big4Star

        ouch 10% raise for a 5 rating? Sounds like you need to stop working so hard.

        • tenuredservant

          that’s a 10% raise at 104 base – I’d be happy with a 11K raise and 8K bonus.

          • Big4Star

            The % is what matter. So if you make $150K and get 6% raise (as 5 rated), then you’ll be happy?

      • Feeljipped

        High I’m not even in 90’s m1 NYC fso. 4 rated

        • Big4Star

          That is definitely weird. Seniors in NYC make in the $90s.

          • Feeljipped

            Not in audit

          • Feeljipped

            I’ve been 3’s and 4’s through out my years and even as a sr3 I didn’t break 80. Sucks to be fso audit in NYC.

    • A2B6382

      Cleveland
      Audit
      M2-M3
      5 rating
      13% raise
      8.02 PBB
      New Base 108K

      • Big4Star

        M3 $108? wao

        • big4Sensei

          Is that high or low?

          • Big4Star

            Very low. I guess Clev must be extremely cheap.

            • A2B6382

              What are your numbers big shot?

            • Big4Star

              $130K M1 MA

            • A2B6382

              Not in audit

            • Big4Star

              Audit sucks

            • A2B6382

              Yes it does but you 1) have no clue what audit makes – its significantly different than the various advisory practices depending on if a person has an MBA etc. and yet seem to comment on every post telling people they do not make enough money, meanwhile are likely lying about what you make anyway

            • Big4Star

              Lol. Only you take things so seriously in this blog site.

      • IndenturedServant

        wow u are like top 1% in Cleveland. congrats

    • disqus_6eN4GAwDyt

      staff 1-staff 2
      FSO Atlanta
      4 Rated
      6% raise
      51-54

      • Unidentified

        6% seems to be low for a 4 rating

        • buthurt

          Time to update resume then

      • theOne

        ouch…whats a 3 get you? a $1500 raise?

        • buthurt

          And some intimate time with the partner who will tell you that you are definitely on the partner track

          • theOne

            oh I completely forgot about that. those conversations are invaluable.

            • buthurt

              The partner who gave me the talk last year couldn’t remember me when I met him a week later. Bet he gives a lot of those talks.

            • IndenturedServant

              I got the partner track talk when I was a 3rd year.

              Shit like that just makes you look dishonest.

        • disqus_2JpQVkezoa

          A three is 5%

          • theOne

            work extra hard all year = 1%. seems worth it

            • buthurt

              Ha! This is the question I ask when I talk to all of my 4 rates friends. Their collective conclusion: No.

      • Big4Star

        That is horrible. Specially for a 4 rated resource.

      • CFB is Life

        Yeah Ouch.. not looking forward to my meeting now. Did FSO have a bad year?

    • IndenturedServant

      Deloitte and PwC SF/SV are gonna be losing some talent after their people take a look at this thread.

      • buthurt

        All they have to do is to give a second round of raise like EY did a year ago. If they are reluctant to do even that then yes they deserve to be deserted.

        • IndenturedServant

          lol implying they would ever do that.

          collectively the partners would rather have 50 extra dollars in their bank account this year than retain 1 talented manager/senior. ask how i know this.

          • buthurt

            Oh yea I’m sure some of them would be stupid enough not to do so.

            • IndenturedServant

              lol replace some with all.

              basically the only time they would ever do that is if they bump up starting salaries and they need to bump up the existing staff and seniors so they aren’t making less money than the people they supervise.

      • DTTechRisk

        hell yes we are

      • tax4life

        They still pay more. I think it’s part of the reason for the big raises. EY lags in this market purely based on comp.

        • IndenturedServant

          i know for a fact this is not true.

        • Consult4Life

          I will 2nd @IndenturedServant:disqus. I spent a number of years at PwC before coming to EY and still have a large number of friends there.

        • AuditSF

          That’s absolutely not true. Look at the PwC and Deloitte comp threads and compare them to the numbers on this thread for the bay area

          • tax4life

            I dunno. I usually interview with 1-2 firms around eval times. They have always offered more $$.

            • AuditSF

              ……. are you serious? of course they offer more. we’re talking about internal raises, not experienced hires.

    • John Doe

      Denver – Assurance
      4 Rating
      12.5% Raise
      4.24% Bonus
      M1 => M2
      $106K (new base)

    • EYConcerner

      SLC – 4 Rating
      SR 1 —> SR 2
      10% Increase
      3.44% Bonus

    • idontdrinkthekoolaid

      SJ – Bay Area (West)
      Assurance
      staff1 -> staff2
      3 rating
      ~15.7% raise
      $54K -> $62.5K

    • GuestGuest

      NY TS
      Sr2 – > S3
      4 rating
      16% to 95

      • windycityadvisor

        How many months have you been in TS?

        • GuestGuest

          18

          • windycityadvisor

            Thanks for the response.

            • GuestGuest

              How did Chicago make out?

            • windycityadvisor

              Honestly, I have no clue. I am fairly new to the group and my raise was not that great because they bumped me a little bit when I moved over. I still feel that the advisory is much better compared to TS in terms of compensation. Would you agree?

    • Work / More Work Balance

      West Assurance (Non-SF)
      SR2 -> SR3
      4 Rated
      $71.7k -> $81.6k (13.8%)
      3.44% PBB
      Kind of expected a little more based on some of the big West raises. Must be all SF.

    • mindthegaap

      West Tax
      staff 2 > senior 1
      5 rated
      34% raise
      81.5k new base

      pretty good

    • Manny

      Northeast
      Advisory
      Senior 3 —> M1
      Rated 5
      20% raise
      129.5K New Base
      8K Performance Bonus
      6.5k Promotion Bonus

    • George Bluth

      NY TAS
      M2 –> M3
      Rated 4
      12% raise to $143k
      ~11% bonus

      • John

        How’d you get a 11% bonus when the TAS chart below shows 4 rated managers receiving 4.58%?

      • windycityadvisor

        Do you mind sharing what group in TAS?

    • CFB is Life

      Southeast Tax
      ST1 > ST2
      Rated 3
      8% raise, no PBB

    • EY_beancounter

      Northeast
      Assurance
      SR2 > SR3
      Rated 3
      10% raise, 2.02% PBB

      • GuestGuest

        New base?

    • lowexpectations

      Central (not Chicago)
      Assurance
      Staff 1 -> Staff 2
      Rated 3
      5.8% Raise to 52,900

    • Living the Beam

      LA
      Assurance
      Staff I —> Staff II
      3 rated
      15.7% raise
      53K to 61.3K

      • Chel

        15.7% for a 3????? That’s a lot!

        • needscoffee

          15.7% is a big bump up – COL adjustments or just because they are short staff to keep people?

          • Dchoco

            Probably COL. 53k is low for LA

            • needscoffee

              $53k is lower than new associates being recruited at the campus level are being offered.

    • Leonard Powers

      FSO NY
      Advisory
      Senior 3 –> Manager 1
      Rated 3
      11% Raise, 113K New Base
      2k PBB
      7K Promo Bonus

    • CajunAuditorTeyonce

      Houston- Audit
      St1 to St2, rated 3
      8%
      53k >>>57k

    • BelieveinV20/20

      Central Region
      S1-S2
      Advisory – 4 Rated
      16% Raise
      PBB: 4%…

      • Holla Dollas

        Were you Risk or PI?

    • blackandyellowey

      Nyc advisory.
      Senior 1 to 2.
      5 rated. New base $110

      • big4Sensei

        %?

      • Holla Dollas

        Risk or PI?

    • EYAnanom

      NYC Advisory
      Senior 2 -> M1
      5 rated, “skip” promo
      17% raise
      7.16% PBB
      5.5K promo bonus
      Previous base too low, disappointed with results…

      • PublicGuy

        Yeah. Usually the early manager promotion doesn’t get you where a usual manager is in trends of salary. Just more work for s3 pay. It’s more of a prestige thing than anything else.

        • Holla Dollas

          Risk or PI?

      • Big4Advisory

        Yeah, congrats on the promo and sorry on the raise. I just went S2-M1 and got 27% base adjustment

    • guest123guest

      NYC FSO Tax
      Staff 1 –> Staff 2, 3 Rating
      15% Raise
      68k Old Base –>78k New Base

      • EY Indentured Servant

        Jeez, didn’t know FSO tax pays so well…

        • buthurt

          78K doesn’t mean much in NYC. Still, definitely better than typical assurance pay for sure

      • Fsotaxman

        Wow. Pays more than a senior 1! Lol

      • Reasonable Assurance

        Lol.

        sure.

        • Reasonable Assurance’s Broseph

          ROFL, Broseph!

        • iamthelolrus

          Eh starting at 68k isn’t unreasonable in NYC with a MST or LLM

    • PublicGuy

      Central (not Chicago) Tax
      ST2 -> S1
      4 rated
      15%
      New base: ~67k

      5k promo

    • RiskyBusiness

      Central
      Sr3 > Mgr
      5 rated
      22% raise
      New Base ~115K
      6500 Promo Bonus
      6700 PBB

      • EYYYYY

        Service line?

        • RiskyBusiness

          Advisory. FSO

          • Big4Star

            Chicago?

            • RiskyBusiness

              yes, Chicago.

      • adsfdsa

        PwC bonus for making manager 25% of new base payable after 1 year of service. Should have gone to PwC.

        • RiskyBusiness

          Perhaps, but then I’d have to tell people I work for Strategy&. And they’d wait for me to finish the name of the company (because who ends a name with &), and I would tell them that it’s just & and people would say that’s really unfortunate that I work for such a terribly named firm, and I’d end up quitting before that year is up due to severe depression, and never collect on the fat promotion bonus…I guess in the long run I’ll stick with EY.

          • buthurt

            Just say PwC Strategy. Parthenon was a niche firm working mostly on the education sector before acquired by EY!. Booz was a stronger firm, that is until a bunch of its top guys deflected to MBB after the PwC acquisition.

    • TaxCan

      Toronto
      Tax Staff 1 – Staff 2
      4 Rating
      7% Raise
      New base 46K
      eww.

      • John

        That’s less than 35K USD these days…

      • AuditSF

        Jesus and you’re in tax too? Looks like the big 4 pays terrible in Canada.

    • eeeeeeel

      I probably got one of the highest % bonuses and lowest % raises in the firm up to SM 🙁

      • theOne

        gonna share numbers? i seem to remember you said you got a 5 when the thread started

        • eeeeeeel

          Not much for anonymity (few in my situation), but 30% bonus. Not kidding.

          • John

            how did you get a 30% bonus when PPB’s are standard across the firm?

          • buthurt

            shit base * 30% = shit

            by still congrats, that’s much better than what most of us have

    • ilovefreekoolaid

      Southeast
      Risk Assurance
      Staff 1 -> Staff 2
      4 rating
      ~9%
      54k -> 59k

    • Guest12345

      Southeast, Tax
      Staff 1 to Staff 2
      Rated 4
      12.5% Raise

    • Almosta4

      West
      Tax
      SR2 > SR3
      Rated 3
      6% raise, 2% PBB
      New base 86k

    • nony

      SWSA
      Assurance
      Sr2 to Sr3
      Rated 5
      12.5% raise, 6.87% PBB
      Now $77K
      #drinkingthekoolaid

    • goingwhattttttt

      Northeast (NYC)
      Assurance
      Sr1 to Sr2
      Rated 3
      9%
      New Base: 72k

    • Merher

      Houston (Southwest)
      Assurance
      Staff 1 —> Staff 2
      3 rating
      ~8.1% raise
      $53K —> $57.3K

    • LATaxGuy

      Los Angeles
      Tax
      Staff 4 -> Senior 1
      4 Rating
      $5k promotion bonus
      67,960 -> 75,500

    • Big4 Dude

      NYC FSO
      Advisory
      Staff 1 -> Staff 2
      4 Rating
      ~8%

    • 4BigDicks

      DC ASSurance
      Sr1 -> Sr2
      4 rating past 2 years
      7700 raise (~11.5%)
      66300 -> 74000
      ~2300 PBB

    • #JobSearchingNow

      Dallas, Assurance – Staff 1 to Staff 2 rated 4 – 7.8% raise, no bonus.

    • MintedCPA

      DC Metro
      Staff 1 -> Staff 2 – 3 Rating
      6% raise
      56.5K -> 59.9K

    • Undecided

      NE Tax (NYC)
      SR3 > M1
      5 Rated
      20% raise
      New Base – $115K
      ~6K bonus
      6.5K promotion bonus

      Thought it was pretty good until I started reading the comments…

    • FSOtax

      FSO NYC Ms Tax
      68k staff 1 to 78k staff 2 3 rating

      Everyone in FSO got 15 % for 3 rating.
      17.5 for 4 and 20 for 5 rating.

      Am quite pleased.

      • yup

        well, maybe FSO tax got those numbers..

      • Fsotaxman

        Wow makes more than a senior 1 without MST. No wonder all of them are leaving.

    • CENTRALRA

      Risk Assurance (Central)
      5 Rated
      19% Raise
      Old Base: 64k
      New base: 76k

      Higher than expected but looks like we’re pretty far below West region with this bump

      • tax4life

        still good. ours was mostly cost of living adjustment.

    • FSOEYFSO

      SE Advisory
      SR1 -> SR2
      4 rated
      10% raise
      PBB: 4.09%

      • big4Sensei

        Base?

        • FSOEYFSO

          Old: 75K New: 82.5K
          Started at SR1

    • CentralTaxGCR

      Central (Not Chicago)
      Tax (GCR)
      Sr3 > Mgr
      4 rated
      7.2% raise
      New Base = 92,000
      6,500 Promo Bonus
      2,139 PBB

    • Big Foreplay

      Tax; Senior Manager; 4 rating; 4.6% bonus; 3.7% raise; Base north of 220k (which explains the raise).
      I fully admit that I am drowning in the Kool Aid (and truly loving every minute of it) so you will find it very rare to find me criticizing old Ernie. However, I am concerned that the spread of bonus %’s (by rating) might act as a disincentive. I.e., the small bonus increase from a 3 to 4 rating and the monster increase from a 4 to a 5 rating is inconsistent with our mantra of how much we value a solid 3 rating and how getting a 4 is an exceptional achievement. I worry that it may lead some people to quit shooting for anything above a 3. Let’s face it: Landing at a 4 is not an easy task. We work very hard for those 4 ratings, and if it merely results in a meager 1-2% bonus above and beyond the bonus we would otherwise have gotten with a 3 rating, how many people will just give up?
      Anyway, gotta get back to work. 🙂 TTYL.

      • GuestGuest

        Drop 3’s from the pool and reallocate the funds to 4’s and 5’s.

        • Big Foreplay

          I don’t think that stripping 3 rated personnel of a bonus is consistent with the mantra that obtaining a 3 means you are a strong performer who is doing everything demanded of you. The key adjustment that needs to be made is to make the gap between 4 and 5 bonus less dramatic.

      • Big4Star

        I would drown in that koolaid too at $220K base.

        • Big Foreplay
        • Big Foreplay

          In all fairness, I’m not exactly a 1st (or even 4th!) year SM. I’m probably very close to the max of the overall SM range (both in years and $$$). Non-PPEDs probably cap out around the 230k range but that’s after many, many moons pounding the old 10-key. 🙂

          • fmdd01

            I know that to be inaccurate as I know of several Tax Senior Managers making north of $250k to $270k who are still at least 2 years from promotion to PPED (think: SM3, SM4). Granted these folks are mostly in the TT transaction tax practice so there might be a bit of premium being paid there.

            • Big Foreplay

              They must be the exception that proves the rule. Mainline tax folks are not making that kind of $$$ at the Sr. Mgr ranks. TT is a special beast. Probably attorneys with LLMs etc.

    • Big4Star

      How much does a Mid-Atlantic SM1 in Advisory Risk Assurance (FSO or Non FSO.. doesn’t matter) make?

      • Big Foreplay

        There’s probably a range that is $20k wide from top to bottom. My guess is that the low end for SM 1 is around 130k.

        • Big4Star

          I know SMs making way over $150K so your 20K range is too low. Unless you mean that to be the range for a SM1.

          • Big Foreplay

            Yes I meant for SM1s.

    • tenuredservant

      Based on the three comp threads, EY seems to have had the best year so far. Let’s see how the town of K treats its residents.

    • fmdd01

      Tax Sr Mgr
      New York FSO
      5 Rating
      17.5% Raise
      11.5% Bonus
      old/new $193k –> $225k

      • fsov2020

        that’s a high number. how many years (of sr mgr)?

        • fmdd01

          Going into 3rd year; starting 10th year in Big 4 though

          • Big Foreplay

            Sorry – your numbers do not sound believable. Unless you are already in the PPED queue and are being prepped for promotion to PPED in the summer of 2016? Seriously – UNBELIEVABLE.

    • brokeauditor

      FSO NYC Assurance
      Staff 2 -> Senior 1
      7% increase
      new base 70k
      3 rating

    • AnCons

      Sorry I forgot to post sooner:

      Advisory PI
      Still a Senior – Rating: 4
      6% Raise (same as last year)
      Old: ~115000

      New: ~123000